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Spreading dangerous misinformation

Opinion Piece

It feels like the Twilight Zone — an alternative universe that I don’t recognise. Up until 2021 I’d always enjoyed listening to other people’s perspectives. Opinions are opinions. But this is different. The self-centred campaign against vaccinations is not only stupid, it’s an act of harm. If you’ve given medical misinformation to someone that you’re not qualified to give and they die, is that manslaughter?

The recent anti-lockdown and anti-vaccination protests in Australia showed a side of humanity I struggle to understand or relate to. I feel a mixture of anger, frustration and sadness. Thousands of people deny reality and get violent with police horses to protest imaginary things, while the rest of us do what we can to help.

We all want to get through the pandemic quickly and without loss of life. We do what it takes. And it’s not much to wear a mask or contact trace. It’s not much to get a little jab!

However, they are among us. The ironically-named “Voices for Freedom” anti-vaccination campaign is coming to Gisborne this Sunday.

Dr Peter Canaday is a retired radiologist with no training in epidemiology or virology (that I’m aware of) from America who appears to promote vaccine scepticism . . . if I’m being kind.

I urge people to reconsider giving these people a venue. Misinformation kills. I recently read an alarming article which suggests most Covid deaths in America were preventable. If you host this event, does it make you complicit?

We need a well-vaccinated population to avoid what we see in Fiji, India, Brazil, USA, UK, Australia, etc.

Dr Canaday clearly misrepresents the facts. Sometimes a lie can be nothing but missing context. Apparently his “likes” on social media lean to the right. Is there a link between the far right and antivaxxers? Yep.

I was lucky enough to get permission from Thomas Everth to share his writing and very good fact check on Dr Peter Canaday and his dodgy claims (Thomas is a high school teacher of maths, science, physics and earth and space science):

Dr Canaday makes the following false or at least very misleading points:

a) He claims the Pfizer vaccine has not completed clinical trials. That is blatantly false. The phase three trials were completed last year with excellent results.

b) He claims the vaccine is only approved for emergency use in the USA. Yes, that’s true. But we do have a worldwide health emergency that has killed 628,000 Americans so far. If that’s not a worthwhile emergency, what would be? The vaccine has been approved in 94 countries.

c) He cites a sudden rise of reports to the US adverse vaccine reporting database after the Covid vaccine was introduced. In the US alone, 335 million doses of the vaccine have been administered. Firstly to the most vulnerable to Covid, the elderly and those with underlying health issues. If you give 335 million people a glass of water to drink and wait to see what happens, you will sadly find that the normal rate of sudden deaths from cardiac events, strokes etc will not stop for you. Same with the vaccine. And of course, under the circumstances of people being cautious about the new vaccines, a high rate of reporting happens. Dr Canaday admits he has no evidence the reported deaths are caused by the vaccine, yet he induces the idea they could be into the gullible minds of his audience, most of whom have no clue about statistics.

d) He Gish gallops about the doctors in NZ that administer vaccinations not talking about possible side effects, yet admits freely that he hasn’t even looked at the material about the vaccine that doctors use to inform their patients because “he is not working in that field and is retired”. Yet he conjures up the idea that patients are not informed. What a hoot!

e) He claims the risk of getting Covid is low and that therefore the 95 percent-effective vaccine is making a small risk smaller and it’s therefore perhaps not necessary to take. Yet he later rambles on about the USA already nearing “natural” herd immunity because most people would have had it. So what is it then?

Fact: Especially with the highly-infectious Delta variant, the probability of getting Covid eventually is very high; and the risk of getting serious Covid is high for a very large number of people. We have to rely on the vaccine to get us the immunity we need to eventually reopen our borders.

f) He claims that “good” immunity, vitamins, hydroxychloroquine and so forth can help. Good immunity is certainly helpful, but the Sars-CoV-2 virus is a nasty beast and many healthy and young people have died from the disease or developed long-lasting disabilities. After studies with thousands of patients, it is clear that hydroxychloroquine is not helpful.

Vaccinating the vast majority of our population as soon as possible is the best way forward for our nation. Sadly this misinformation by Dr Canaday is likely to cause death among some of the vulnerable population whom he talks out of getting the shot, and those who they then also infect.

Dr Canaday will hopefully be held responsible for his actions. Even though this Dr is retired, he is still bound by the Hippocratic oath he once had to take and the fact he is medically trained should count as evidence against him, as he cannot claim ignorance.

Aimee Milne
  1. Peter Jones says:

    Thomas is a high school teacher of maths, science, physics and earth and space science. So Dr Canaday has been fact checked by a space cadet.
    Well whoopty doo.
    As a former forestry contractor who has played a pivotal role in establishing the industry that pays the bills in this town, I claim the right to ignore the ravings of this appallingly biased and left-leaning lunatic.

  2. Richard Whitley says:

    Aimee,

    I find it hypocritical in the extreme that you would even reference the Hippocratic oath.

    I understand you are somehow involved in the health profession?

    Perhaps you would like to explain to the good people of Gisborne, in relation to those citizens who choose to refrain from getting the Covid vaccine, you have stated,

    “I’m honestly feeling despair at how arrogant and stupid these people are. If the Delta variant arrives…which it will…I hope my nursing colleagues triage these idiots last.”

    Then explain to them why anyone involved in the health profession, who triages and treats patients based on their personal and/or political persuasions, rather than their specific immediate medical needs, should be let anywhere near practising anywhere in the health profession at all.

    1. Aimee Milne says:

      I absolutely did say that. I said it knowing full well that would never happen. Nurses, including myself in the past do treat patients according to need. So you don’t need to worry. You have very good nurses to look after you even if you’re stupid enough not to get a vaccine. I’m less concerned about you and more concerned that a baby just died of Covid in Fiji actually.

    2. Aimee Milne says:

      The Delta Variant will be here eventually and I’m prepared to fight for the health of our community. These grifters are putting all of us at risk while they make money off the merch. I will use strong words. Get used to it.

    3. Mark, Auckland says:

      Unfortunately nurses will treat anti-vaxers well. It’s important to know that nearly all deaths in the US due to Covid lately have been unvaccinated people. It’s just facts.

  3. Tanya Rolke, Christchurch says:

    Absolutely, I can not understand the misinformation being spread by so many unqualified people.
    Vvf propaganda are not doctors nor qualified in the field to say vaccines will harm you or kill you.
    A blatant message like that is harmful and definitely not true.
    Thank you Aimee.

  4. Martin Hanson says:

    One could not ask for simpler statement that encapsulates the spirit of democracy than one attributed to Voltaire: “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”
    The right to question officialdom is sine qua non of democracy, but on March 14 last year, Prime Minister Ardern told reporters at a press conference in Rotorua:
    “Do feel free to visit covid19.govt.nz – otherwise dismiss anything else. We will continue to be your single source of truth. When you see those messages [on social media], remember that unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth.”
    I’m sure I’m not alone in sensing a hint of totalitarianism in the Prime Minister’s words. While we do have the legal right to question the official government Covid narrative, it is clear that free speech is not encouraged. In view of Aimee Milne’s contemptuous dismissal of people who don’t like being told what to think, it is hardly surprising that people are increasingly consulting alternatives to the official narrative.
    An example is Dr Robert Malone, who developed the mRNA vaccine technology:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/ukx8L3lh5CA7/
    As Einstein remarked:
    “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”

    1. Aimee Milne says:

      Said like a true anti vaxxer. Did you just share a Bitchute video to back up what you’re saying? And you’re an ex science teacher? Are you serious? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/the-uk-social-media-platform-where-neo-nazis-can-view-terror-atrocities

      1. Martin Hanson says:

        Either you have a very short memory, or you have no regard for truth. On April 2, I commented on David Aitken’s column “Shot in the arm is all that’s needed”. I said:
        I would define ‘anti-vaxxers’ as those who are against all vaccines. I am not an anti-vaxxer, but do not want this particular vaccine because of overseas reports of deaths and other side effects. Lumping those who object to one particular vaccine with those who are against all vaccines is intellectual laziness.
        Will you now accept that I’m not anti-vaxxer – just anti- this vaccine?

        1. Aimee Milne says:

          I’m done conversing with you Martin. Im not wasting my time with someone who shares Bitchute videos for evidence. Get back to me when you have ACTUAL evidence.

        2. Aimee Milne says:

          So Martin…I just need to clarify what you’ve said. ‘I’m not an anti vaxxer, just anti this vax’.

          Let me paraphrase.

          You don’t want people to die from other diseases, just this one.

          1. Martin Hanson says:

            You really must be desperate to resort to such nonsense. As I’ve said numerous times before, when you’re in a hole, it’s best to stop digging.

    2. Aimee Milne says:

      Here’s a little fact check for you Martin. Dr Robert Malone is not a trustworthy source. Just stop with your rubbish. You should know better. https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

      1. Lisa, Whakatane says:

        Good on you Aimee. I see this charlatan is speaking at the Ohope Charter Club on August 2. His crowd will be vulnerable elderly or seed-saving anti-vaxers. It’s horrifying that they’ll think because he’s a doctor that he’s informed. Thanks for your opinion piece.

      2. Martin Hanson says:

        Leaving aside the exact role Robert Malone played in the mRNA vaccine technology, the video (which it seems you haven’t seen) contains material that’s very damaging to the official narrative. I challenge you to watch it. I’d be delighted to elaborate on this, but I’m not sure the editor would agree.
        Quite apart from that, Pfizer has a very murky track record, morally speaking, which I would also be happy to write about, with the editor’s permission.

        1. Aimee Milne says:

          For God’s sake Martin you’re an educated man. I refuse to watch Bitchute. If you didn’t get enough information in the original column fact check you’re a lost cause. Grow up and check out the big obvious hole you’ve dug yourself. The audacity! An ex science teacher who shares Bitchute videos as evidence is telling me my evidence isn’t good enough? Don’t be so ridiculous.

          1. Martin Hanson says:

            You lost the argument at several steps along the way:
            1 You say that Dr. Canaday’s “‘likes’ on social media lean to the right” implying that for this reason their arguments can’t have validity. Such a ‘black and white’ view of reality implies you have difficulty with dealing with complexity, and is more characteristic of a child than an adult (in fairness, you’re far from alone in this respect). Most of my views would be characterised as left-of-centre, but while I strongly disagree with ACT on climate, I strongly agree with them on Free Speech. ‘Argument by label’ is not an argument but a substitute for argument.
            2 “You don’t want people to die from other diseases, just this one”. Since members of my own family have been vaccinated, this has to imply that I want my sister and two brothers die of Covid.
            3 “I refuse to watch Bitchute”. You seem to think that the validity of an argument depends on the medium in which it is presented, rather than the argument itself.
            4 “Grow up and check out the big obvious hole you’ve dug yourself.”
            If all you have in your toolbox is personal abuse, there’s no point in continuing, and I have nothing more to say to you, Aimee.

          2. Patrick Cooper says:

            Aimee, take a look at Stew Peters’ interview of Dr David Martin (google it) and then tell me that you are still reassured about the vaccine.

        2. Aimee Milne says:

          Of course it matters Martin. Bias matters in science don’t you know? When you present ‘evidence’ on a far right platform designed to support neo nazis…how can I possibly take that seriously? You ask too much of me I’m sorry. I can provide reputable links to EVERY single point that was fact checked. I’ve watched Peter Canaday’s biased videos on the Vff platform and heard him discuss Russians and communism. It’s just right wing bias nonsense. It is definitely NOT science. It’s his political opinion. I’m so glad you’re done engaging with me. It is frustrating trying to debate with someone who has no facts to back up what they’re saying. If you believe you’ve ‘won’ the argument, good for you. My intention is to bring attention to these grifters and hopefully increase immunisation rates in the community…to keep EVERYONE safe and prevent death or illness. This is not some silly competition for me.

          1. Pete Metcalfe, Whangarei says:

            Aimee, please help me as I am not a medical person.
            Given we see that fully vaccinated people can still catch Covid-19, and still spread it, how are we supposed to attain “herd immunity”? And how are the non-vaccinated a threat to the vaccinated?

        3. Aimee Milne says:

          Patrick Cooper. You mean this Stew Peters?

          ’ 100% Pure bred, unapologetic, Christian, Flag hugging #AmericaFirst Patriot! Father, husband, hockey. “The People’s Bullhorn”

          And David Martin, a financial analyst and self-help entrepreneur who has a YouTube channel that pushes deranged conspiracy theories?

          No, thank you

          1. Owen says:

            But surely (Dr) David Martin must be an expert in vaccines with all his knowledge of finance, trade and asset underwriting! He further cements his obvious expertise in this field by allowing us the opportunity for just $US2,750 to attend one of his anti-self-help seminars that teach you how to “comprehend life force through the portals of lightning” and “experience the mysteries of relationships through the quantum of glucose forged in photosynthesis” (yes, actual quotes from his website).
            I can’t see how someone that could make money from using pseudo-science could also be trying to convince people that Covid-19 isn’t real. Almost made it to the end of that sentence without laughing.
            Anti-vaxxers really need to try harder I think. But I guess, apart from the fact that they are complicit in the manslaughter of millions of peoples with their beliefs, they do give us the occasional laugh at their stupidity!

          2. Patrick Cooper says:

            Check out Robert David Steel’s interview of Dr David Martin on Rumble.

          3. Aimee Milne says:

            Hi Pete,
            What we know already is around severity of symptoms and viral load. The higher the viral load, the more infectious we are. Yes, vaccinated people can get sick, but the symptoms will be more mild. Studies show that people who tested positive for COVID-19 after getting just one dose of the vaccine had lower levels of virus (viral load) than unvaccinated people with COVID-19. That means a decreased viral load in vaccinated people. If they do happen to get sick, the virus will be less infectious, but it can still be passed on. There is more research coming and I note there is one recent study not yet peer reviewed that suggests the vaccine creates antibodies in the oral mucosa fluid and upper respiratory tract, which is where the virus enters. So I guess in a way it might block the virus from entering, but there obviously needs to be more research done to give a clear answer. Basically at this stage it’s not perfect but it’s the best we have available. The studies coming from more highly vaccinated countries like Israel are promising. Exciting even! “There were marked and sustained declines in SARS-CoV-2 incidence corresponding to increasing vaccine coverage. These findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccination can help to control the pandemic.”

            https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30985-3/fulltext

            https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.06.21251283v1

            https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.06.21256403v1

            https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext

          4. Lara says:

            Pete,
            Dr. Jason Gallagher, a clinical professor at Temple University’s School of Pharmacy in Philadelphia and a clinical pharmacy specialist in infectious diseases said it shouldn’t be surprising that vaccinated people have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, which causes COVID-19.
            Experts say the vaccines aren’t 100 percent effective against the virus, so there can be a small number of vaccinated people who will test positive.
            They add that the vaccine doesn’t necessarily protect against infection. It protects against serious illness and hospitalization from COVID-19.

      3. Nigel Geary, Bali, Indonesia says:

        Thanks for the article Aimee. I was put on to it by a Kiwi friend in Australia as I have friends and family over in your country.
        All I can say is that all this spikey conversation will become moot, if and when your country becomes exposed to the full force of the virus. Which is highly likely to happen at some point, as we can see from Australia.
        I live in Bali [about the same population as yours] and not one of your complacent Voices for Freedom have the slightest idea of how insidious this virus is.
        Absolutely none.
        We have gone from low infection daily numbers in the 20s last month to in the 1400s today. We have seen daily deaths go from about 2 to in the 30s. It is a very scary thing and many of my friends and acquaintances have had it. Not one of them would wish it on their worst enemy.
        The hospitals are full.
        And Java is even worse.
        The antagonists in this argument [it’s hardly a discussion] can spout all the leftwing or rightwing claptrap they want, put up links to all kinds of spurious sites to support their arguments. Throw as many numbers as they like around. Claim to be experts in tiddleywinks or bird droppings or whatever.
        But the only fact that is absolute is people are getting very sick, some dying – in large numbers.
        Dead and Dying.
        And for sure, the only way out is vaccination. That’s it. One choice.
        And if the Freedom Fighters or whatever they’re called don’t believe me – get sick from Covid and try it!
        But you “Voices” don’t deserve to be treated because you chose that route to your right to freedom. You chose to put other people at risk. You can’t have it both ways.
        You, all, are in the envious position of being able to stop it once and for all – if your population can turn it from a vaccination Stroll Out to a Roll Out.
        Stay healthy and happy.

        1. Aimee Milne says:

          Thanks for you comment Nigel. Fingers crossed we can get high numbers vaccinated so we don’t have to go through what you’re going through over there. Voices for Freedom are blind to their own privilege. Kia kaha.

    3. Thomas Everth, Whitianga says:

      Questioning authority is a necessary part of a democratic society. But that’s not what the anti-vaxxers are doing. They convert their ignorance into an agenda. An agenda to derail a very important and life-saving health initiative. That’s not questioning, that’s causing potentially lethal mischief. And further more, there is no such thing as free speech without having to assume responsibility for the consequences of that free speech.
      Once we open the borders and the Delta variant starts to take its toll on unvaccinated New Zealanders, those who promoted the anti vaxxer craze will stand culpable of being an accessory to having caused the deaths and suffering that will ensue. In the USA in May, 18,000 people died from Covid; 99% of those were unvaccinated!

    4. Katie Brockie says:

      Well you are definitely showing unthinking respect for authority by referencing Dr Malone.

    5. Peter Canaday says:

      To the editor:
      I was mildly amused by Aimee Milne’s opinion piece in The Herald just recently published. However, she shows an abundant and creative imagination in weaving a fantastic tale without the burden of knowing my background, attending any of my presentations or acknowledging any contrary findings, conclusions or opinions from the published scientific or medical literature. Perhaps a Pulitzer for fiction is in her future! Actually, I think she may have missed her true calling as a principal in George Orwell’s Ministry of Truth. Perhaps she will yet be successful in her pursuit, and I wish her well.
      Peter Canaday MD

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      1. Aimee Milne says:

        Don’t pretend you’re an expert Peter. You’re working with Voices for Freedom who recently had their FB page removed because it was full of lies and misinformation. They’re like the flat earthers of health.

      2. D Brown says:

        Great presentation on Monday night, Dr Canaday. Aimee has no idea what she is talking about and continues to show her true colours.
        There are plenty of other pro vaccine scientists and doctors speaking out about the potential dangers of mRNA technology.
        Anyone who does this is labelled an “antivaxxer” which is a ridiculous statement. I recommend that everyone take the time to do their own research and make an informed decision on whether this jab is right for you. Do have a listen to Dr Robert Malone (Creator of mRNA technology), Dr Peter McCullough (Cardiologist) and Professor Geert Vanden Bossche (Virologist and Vaccine developer). I also recommend reading through the NZDSOS (NZ Doctors) site. I believe the NZ Chiropractors have also created a similar site.
        Thanks again to Dr Canaday for having the courage to speak up and speak out.

        1. Aimee Milne says:

          Chiropractors? Yeah, because they know what they’re talking about when it comes to virology and immunisation.

        2. Aimee Milne says:

          The NZDSOS is mostly a bunch of not currently practicing doctors who’ve been reported to the medical council for their contribution to anti vax rhetoric. I do not recommend anyone follow their advice!!

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125497383/thirteen-doctors-under-investigation-after-complaints-about-spread-of-covid19-misinformation

          Pray tell D. Brown. What are my true colors?

  5. Jeff Sluka, Waikanae says:

    So much for “Dr” Canaday’s Hippocratic oath to “first do no harm”. This looks like “malpractice” at best, in my view. I suspect he shoots his mouth off like this because, being retired, the professional medical authorities cannot sanction him for his malpractice (eg, by revoking his licence to practise).

  6. Colin, Wellington says:

    The questions of the safety and effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines are matters of fact, not opinion.

    The Ministry of Health of this country and those of other countries have been very clear.

    As a matter of fact, now shown not only by trials but by the evidence go hundreds of millions of treatments, the vaccines are safe and as effective as their manufacturers have said them to be.

    People are entitled to their own opinions. They have no right in a sensible world to their own facts.

  7. Sofianna Kuiti, Levin says:

    Well said Aimee Milne! I stand by your strong words. I have yet to see any compelling evidence from the antivaxx crowd (be it vaccines in general or this one) and it baffles me that people can take such dubious sources of (mis)info seriously.

    Some people need to find another subject to get their conspiracy thrill dopamine hits from. This is just too important. Misinformation has and will cost lives. Just look at Fiji.

    Thank goodness most of the people I know have common sense and have/will be getting the jab. It’s our best chance of managing this thing. Most of my friends and family are in the UK and they have all had the vaccinations with no major issues (other than sore arm/fatigued, but all short lived). Ditto here with my older family members/front-line workers. No issues.

    I wonder if the AV crowd will ever stop spooking at shadows? Fear-filled fearmongers.

  8. Peter Jones says:

    Dr Canaday spoke to a full house of the local intelligencia last night.
    If he made one single claim that was not backed up by science and official sources like the CDC I would be very surprised.
    Even on the spot when questioned he stayed professional and carefully avoided falling into the realms of speculation.
    This talk was 100% fact based and thank you Peter for bringing your amazing expertise to our doorstep.

    1. Aimee Milne says:

      Peter, you wouldn’t know fact if it slapped you in the face. I don’t think the community should believe a word you say.

      You’re not known for your ability to differentiate between reality and dystopia

      1. Patrick Cooper says:

        Check out Reiner Fuellmich’s interview with Dr David Martin on brandnewtube.com

      2. Patrick Cooper says:

        Aimee, you might like to try Reiner Fuellmich’s interview with Dr David Martin on brandnewtube.com

        1. Aimee Milne says:

          No

        2. Tony Lee says:

          Patrick, I had a look at your brandnewtube.com. Seems to be the home to Alex Jones and other bottom feeders. So, no.

  9. Lara says:

    Aimee,
    Thank you for your writing. It shows your knowledge, courage and intelligence.
    The sheer stupidity of the comments made by the anti vaxxers on this thread is breathtaking!
    Luckily there are fewer of these idiots in NZ than people of common sense.
    Good on you Aimee.

  10. Eric says:

    This anti ‘misinformation’ war is misguided and harmful in itself. There is no opportunity to observe the real impacts of covid nor the vaccine because any reports that are even slightly alternative to the convention are silently removed. That itself is unscientific.

    As a result people like Aimee have a skewed basis to form their opinions and then write pieces like this including very loose hypotheticals being stated as facts.

    Real people are experiencing harmful reactions to the vaccine, changing their lives forever. Some are dying. But their stories are being shunned and removed and they’re labelled as antivaxxer psychos. Where is our humility and empathy for one another? Where’s our right to voice opinions and have robust debate without being shouted down?

    1. Aimee Milne says:

      They’re being shunned because they’re entitled narcissists who are risking many lives actually.

      Don’t come here with your anecdotal stories. Where’s your proof?

      People are dying of Covid 19 in the millions! It’s not the vaccine that’s killing them its the virus!

      Clearly you’re not able to read basic stats.

      “Up to and including 10 July 2021, a total of 19 deaths were REPORTED (reported doesn’t mean the vaccine
      caused it, it just means it may or may not have been the vaccine) to CARM after the administration of the Comirnaty vaccine. Following medical assessments by CARM and Medsafe it has been determined that:

      14 of these deaths are UNLIKELY related to the COVID-19 vaccine
      2 deaths could not be assessed due to INSUFFICIANT INFORMATION
      3 cases are still under investigation.

      By chance, some people will experience new illnesses or die from a pre-existing condition shortly after vaccination, especially if they are elderly. Therefore, part of our review process includes comparing natural death rates to observed death rates following vaccination, to determine if there are any specific trends or patterns that might indicate a vaccine safety concern.
      There are currently no indications to suggest that the vaccine caused the deaths.

      To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of deaths.”

      1. Patrick Ropitini says:

        You’ve slayed them Aimee, deserving of a gold medal. Very knowledgeable.
        Thank goodness there are more pro vaccinators than cons. Isn’t it ironic the amount of anti vaccinators around the world regretting their stance after catching covid, then dying.

      2. Eric says:

        I’m not denying that COVID-19 is a serious virus, nor that the pfizer vaccine has been shown to reduce the risk of serious illness from COVID-19.

        The problem Aimee is that you’re labelling anyone who shows slight concerns about the vaccine risks, or would like a reasoned debate on the subject, as a “narcissistic antivaxxer”.

        The nature of science is that there is always a lag. A phenomenon must be able to be observed for a period of time first before any reasoned conclusion can be made. Despite all best intentions, sometimes this delay causes terrible unintended consequences. Think the thalidomide tragedy, even anaphylactic reactions to penicillin. There were significant periods of vehement denial before “the science” caught up and appropriate warnings/mitigations were put in place. We had this Pfizer vaccine in rollout for 6 months before a warning was finally issued by medsafe about rare blood clotting adverse reactions.

        This vaccine has only been provisionally approved so it is of utmost importance that people feel safe and actually supported to report the impacts, both positive and negative. If negative reports are dismissed or people are made to feel unsafe if they put their hand up, as is what is happening at the moment, then that will only serve to interfere with the necessary scientific process.

        1. Aimee Milne says:

          But they are supported! CARM is a good system. It’s always advised or encouraged to report adverse events. That’s part of patient safety. I may have come at it with a sledgehammer but there is no time to be nice. The unvaccinated are dying now. Kids are dying. The antivax propaganda machine is big business and it’s killing people! If anyone is unsure about the vaccine talk to a trusted health professional…not to people on the internet who know nothing. The antivax movement is basically a criminal organisation and it’s swallowing innocent people. Enough is enough. It is not acceptable in modern society.

          1. Eric says:

            I’m sure we’d all be interested to hear from affected families who have reported events to CARM, how well supported they felt through the process as some of the stories I’ve heard have been to the contrary right from the initial point of talking to their health professional through to interactions with CARM unit. I can only assume that the COVID hysteria in the media feeds that sort of reaction.

            “The antivax propaganda machine is big business”? I’m not sure anyone stands to gain out of showing concerns around vaccine risk, in fact its the contrary. Even the fully fledged conspiracy theorists claiming all sorts of rubbish out there, I don’t see where there would be any money in it for them.

            The only “big business” going on here is into the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies.

            Meanwhile there are tens of millions more dying from heart disease, diabetes and cancer without any hint of meaningful government action. Why? Probably because it would go against ‘big business’ to attack some of the drivers of these issues.

          1. Eric says:

            Meanwhile, from a NZDoctor article:
            “Other recent preliminary reports from highly vaccinated countries like Israel and Singapore are sobering, however. Before the delta variant became widespread, from January to April 2021, Israel reported that the Pfizer vaccine was 97% effective in preventing symptomatic disease. Since June 20, 2021, with the delta variant circulating more widely, the Pfizer vaccine has been only 41% effective in preventing symptomatic disease, according to preliminary data reported by Israel’s Ministry of Health in late July. An analysis using government data from Singapore demonstrated that 75% of recent COVID-19 infections were in people who were at least partially vaccinated – though most of them were not severely ill”

            Not that reassuring unfortunately

        2. Lara says:

          99% of people becoming extremely ill or dying of Covid are UNVACCINATED!
          Eric stop scaremongering!
          You don’t need to be fearful. The microchip in the vaccine is so tiny you won’t feel a thing and the built in 5G has really helped the Internet speeds at home for all of us vaccinated people.
          Jokes aside Eric, you are not qualified to talk about the efficacy of the vaccination.

          1. Aimee Milne says:

            Haha Lara! I got vaccinated today and no magnetic arm. Slightly disappointed, it might have come in handy.

  11. Ken Horlor, Christchurch says:

    Ms Milne stated: “He claims the Pfizer vaccine has not completed clinical trials. That is blatantly false. The phase three trials were completed last year with excellent results.”

    Pfizer do not agree with Ms Milne. Their own website, while acknowledging the phase 3 clinical trials, adds that they are evaluating data from this trial, and starting new trials in special populations such as pregnant women and children under 12. They also say, in bold letters, that the vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA. https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/rapid-progress
    Clearly the person Ms Milne is criticising is more reliable than her.

    1. Aimee Milne says:

      https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/6/

      Looks a lot like phase 3 trials were done to me! To say they haven’t is a lie.

      Honestly you people are looking for anything to support your confirmation bias. Give up already!! The vaccine is safe.

      Just stop.

      1. Steve says:

        Extract from the Pfizer Comirnaty Monograph.
        Study Type : Interventional (Clinical Trial)
        Estimated Enrollment : 43998 participants
        Allocation: Randomized
        Intervention Model: Parallel Assignment
        Masking: Triple (Participant, Care Provider, Investigator)
        Primary Purpose: Prevention
        Official Title: A PHASE 1/2/3, PLACEBO-CONTROLLED, RANDOMIZED, OBSERVER-BLIND, DOSE-FINDING STUDY TO EVALUATE THE SAFETY, TOLERABILITY, IMMUNOGENICITY, AND EFFICACY OF SARS-COV-2 RNA VACCINE CANDIDATES AGAINST COVID-19 IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS
        Actual Study Start Date : April 29, 2020
        Estimated Primary Completion Date : August 3, 2021
        Estimated Study Completion Date : January 31, 2023
        NB Estimated Study Completion date amended to May 31 2023
        The above was acknowledged as fact by the Ministry of Health in reply to this question posted on the MoH facebook page: “So is the Safety trial estimated to be completed 31/1/23 for a different Pfizer RNA vaccine than the one being administered in NZ?” The MoH answer “It is true that the safety trials are ongoing until 2023.

      2. Steve says:

        In case prior commitments prevented Aimee Milne attending Dr Canaday’s Gisborne presentation and, as a consequence, is unable to evaluate the information offered in the presentation and offer rebuttals based on that information here is a link to the Raglan radio interview of Dr Cannaday. https://archive.org/details/dr-peter-canaday-pfizer-vaccine-discussion-at-the-town-hall-210709

        1. Aimee Milne says:

          Steve. I had listened to that radio interview which is why I wrote the column. I found it misleading, without context and as per column, it can all be fact checked, easily.

          It’s standard practice for vaccines to be monitored for safety after approval.

          I’m sorry I couldn’t attend, I would rather pull out my own toenails.

    2. Aimee Milne says:

      Also Mr Horlor, the emergency approval was addressed in the column. Millions of people dying globally from a vaccine preventable disease is an emergency, do you not agree?

      Antivaxxers keep coming at me with alternative facts like “gotcha”!.

      Sorry, to disappoint you.

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