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An absolute spectacle . . .

Letter

I am disgusted with the actions of these protesters in Gisborne. What an absolute spectacle they made of themselves.

I hope the community makes it known that they are the minority and most of our citizens are happy to do their part in the fight against Covid-19.

Karen Cooper

  1. Aimee Milne says:

    It was pretty embarrassing wasn’t it!

  2. Peter Jones says:

    Aren’t you lucky that you are in the majority.
    Time will tell whether we were right to protest but it is too late for you and Aimee and the community who you are trying to turn against us if it turns out that we are right

    1. Aimee Milne says:

      Protesting is fair enough, but not getting in the way of people seeking healthcare. Not cool.

    2. Karen Cooper says:

      Yes I am thankful I am in the majority. When COVID-19 does arrive, and it will, it will seek out the unvaccinated and like many others you will regret that you were not vaccinated as you will get extremely sick, pass it on to others and possibly subject them to premature death. Won’t you be so proud of that.

    3. P.J. Reed says:

      It’s not time that will tell, it’s science that has laid out the facts for our consideration. I don’t know what the forward ramifications are of your anti-vaccination sentiment, but to me it looks disparaging for those who have to clean up after you.

      1. Simin Williams says:

        To Karen and P.J.Reed. You may be interested in this piece of info from Ministry of Health website:
        “What if I’m already vaccinated?
        You can still get COVID-19 if you’re vaccinated but the symptoms are likely to be very mild, or you may not have any symptoms at all. This means that if you are vaccinated and get COVID-19, you may not realise and spread it to others.”

        1. Aimee says:

          An anti vaxxer who shares information with no context, surprise surprise! ‘The Ministry of Health’s own data found from a group of 10,000 people, with 50 per cent vaccinated and unvaccinated, in the vaccinated group 375 people would become symptomatic, and just 13 need hospital care, Bloomfield said.

          Of those unvaccinated, 2500 would be symptomatic, and 250 need hospital care

        2. Karen Lynn Cooper says:

          We already know this. The facts are that the vaccination is to help alleviate symptoms, to stop many deaths and protect the majority of people. Like the Covid-19 virus, the flu changes and you need annual jabs each season. Covid-19 vaccination might be the same scenario.

        3. P.J. Reed says:

          My point is that unvaccinated people (ones who choose this option) create a burden on the health resource. I have yet to hear a logical reason for resisting vaccination.

          1. Simin Williams says:

            Hi PJ Reed, I replied to your question, however Jeremy trashed my reply. So, in order for you to hear the logical reason, you need to get him to publish my online comment or at least pass it on to you!
            PS. Jeremy, you are really terrified of the truth/facts/evidence, aren’t you?! Ask yourself why! And why do you engage in censorship all the time?! Why you are preventing some simple facts getting to people. Truth will always come out at the end!

            Footnote from Ed: You might feel that I engage in censorship all the time, but that’s because you’ve just started trying to share vaccine misinformation on our website at the very worst time in this pandemic (as we prepare for community transmission nationwide), and in one of the regions most vulnerable to an uncontrolled outbreak. I’ll forward your comment, but P.J. Reed won’t find any factual or logical reasons there for resisting vaccination.

          2. Simin Williams says:

            Jeremy, MOH advises to talk about pfizer vaccine with a medical professional. So, I just shared the expert opinion of a NZ doctor. How could it be misinformation? Let people read and decide for themselves! You can’t just delete comments of whoever disagrees with you! I prefer to listen to a doctor I trust than listening to your opinion.

            Footnote from Ed: Your “expert” is a retired GP who has claimed the Prime Minister is guilty of crimes against humanity, and “is going to get her own lethal injection when the International Criminal Court sits for Nuremberg two”.

          3. J Mackay says:

            I find the combined use of ‘logical’ and ‘truth’ an interesting combination in Ms Williams’ replies. In the slightly adapted words of the famed Spaniard Inigo Montoya “those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean”.

          4. Simin says:

            So says the man with no conflict of interest and making quite a bit of $$$ based on a fraud!

          5. J Mackay says:

            What you call ‘conflict of interest’, in the rational world in which the rest of us live, is termed ‘expertise’. I’ve worked in the PCR field for over 20 years. You hadn’t heard of it before last year.
            Spare me the broken record and if you should be admitted to hospital with an infection or illness of some kind, please be sure to request ‘no DNA test to find the cause for me’.

          6. Simin Williams says:

            Ah, expertise you say John; how about listening to Prof Chossudovsky & Dr Wodarg to explain the whole PCR test fraud for you:
            Fake Science, Invalid Data: There is No Such Thing as a “Confirmed Covid-19 Case”. There is No Pandemic
            https://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-science-invalid-data-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-confirmed-covid-19-case-there-is-no-pandemic/5761960
            or our own NZ doctors here:
            Dr Mark Bailey and Dr John Bevan-Smith paper “The COVID-19 Fraud & War on Humanity”. They cover everything behind the fraud – including the players, the PCR, the virology, the modelling and more. https://drsambailey.com/2021/11/11/the-covid-19-fraud-war-on-humanity/
            And here:
            NZDSOS News Conference, featuring Drs Alison Goodwin, Matt Shelton, and Emanuel Garcia.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WmctPKw9aQ
            And no John, only in an Orwellian society, you would get away with equating “conflict of interest” to expertise!
            And John, you spat the truth yourself: “if you should be admitted to hospital with an infection or illness of some kind,…..’.”
            You see, if a patient is admitted to hospital with an infection or illness that requires further testing to identify the underlying pathology in order to give the appropriate treatment, then a testing is ordered by the doctor. Conducting PCR tests on perfectly healthy human beings only fills up the pockets of test kit providers and administers and is useful to drive a pandemic of fear.
            Regarding “I’ve worked in the PCR field for over 20 years….” So true, John. I read everything I could find regarding PCR from early 2020. I listened to the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, who explained how his genius test, for which he won a Nobel prize, is an amazing tool to find any genetic sequence, but he made it perfectly clear that if you find that sequence, it doesn’t mean you have an illness; he said PCR test is not a diagnostic test! Much to your chagrin, John, I also understand about Cycle Threshold of PCR tests and even according to WHO definition and Fauci, the CT our MoH uses makes the result of these tests useless and in the realm of contamination!! And John, how could you even look for a virus when the virus has never been isolated?!

          7. J Mackay says:

            Just . . . no.
            Please don’t talk about Kary Mullis in the current context of the PCR technology used. Your ignorance radiates out.
            He never used qPCR and you talk about him claiming PCR couldn’t be used for diagnostics . . . despite him receiving a patent for this! No chagrin here – yes, the original PCR patent – with Mullis’ name on it – has a diagnostic claim.
            The website you reference is by people who have never performed a diagnostic qPCR. This technology predates COVID by 20 years and has been used for many, many viruses and bacteria.

            And now you’re referencing Sam Bailey – hauled in front of the medical council and at risk of being struck off. Very sad to see a doctor go down that rabbit hole. Now she doesn’t believe in viruses at all and questions the measles virus. Tragic.

            To talk about ‘testing perfectly healthy people’ demonstrates you know nothing about the biology and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Think about cattle on a farm. They look fine. But they’ll be tested for a wasting disease BVD (through bulk milk or individually). How’s that testing done? Oh right, qPCR – same as COVID.

            And you end with the gem about virus isolation. It *has* been isolated – numerous times (including in NZ). Check out this video as to how scientists were able to demonstrate this to your friend Kaufman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWNGKUm6Eo0
            Here’s a time-saver for you: jump to 2:50 or so and lay your eyes upon the virus.

          8. Simin Williams says:

            The editor, in his all-knowing wisdom, and respect for freedom of expression and his love of democracy and unbiased journalism, deleted my last reply to J. Mackay. It is so funny that when they can’t reply to your argument, in spite of bringing their “expert”, they go for delete button. Censorship has never been easier!! Decency would dictate that after deleting my reply, you would at least indicate that I did reply to J. Mackay but you chose to delete it.

            Footnote from Ed:
            Mostly I don’t want to provide a platform for links to misinformation that endangers public health during a pandemic, but in this case I also didn’t want to waste J. Mackay’s time assessing another screed and associated links. Every claim and source discredited just moves you on to the next ones, as though the last ones didn’t matter.
            You are arguing against the accepted and well-evidenced medical science, based on snatches of information taken out of context along with assorted nonsense. And you’re doing it at a critical time for protecting our community and our vulnerable people from a highly-transmissible virus that kills people. You should keep your views and your videos to yourself.

          9. J Mackay says:

            So may I make the assumption that while I have rebutted your specific points and/or highlighted examples of the common use of PCR technology, you have not afforded me the same courtesy and rather, have found more random links saying the same scamdemic message Ms Williams?
            Scientific evidence is assessed on a number of merits. I feel I need to spell this out to you. The scientific evidence of SARS-CoV-2 is quite clear and studied by thousands of scientists. These scientists have reached a consensus that is not overturned by a Youtube video, Facebook post by a disgruntled anti-establishment unit.
            Once more, in the words of that famed Spaniard Inigo Montoya: “Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.”
            – Viruses are real.
            – COVID is real.
            – PCR detects the virus *before* any symptoms show.
            – If you are not vaccinated, you have a much higher chance of not only catching the virus, but also transmitting it to others who may suffer differently to you.
            – Be kind to others.
            – Get vaccinated.

  3. P.J. Reed says:

    Just to make sure the record is correct. Jeremy was courteous enough to forward your correspondence to me. I found nothing to change my opinion. I don’t consider arguing with you will forward any agenda. I hope for your sake you don’t end up in intensive care with Covid-19.

  4. Rihari Wilson, Auckland says:

    In 1998 I had a heart attack; two days later I had a triple bypass. From being hardly able to walk I was able to take up running again; I ran for an hour most days until I was well into my seventies. I have since been diagnosed with a very slow leukemia. I have now had 3 Pfizer vaccines – the leukemia qualified me for a third booster shot. I am 83 and vigorous; I walk for an hour most days. The same doctors who got me through serious heart disease and cancer are recommending the covid vaccination, so I’ll stick with them.