Strong vote against dual name
NEARLY three-quarters of the people who responded to the web poll question this week about giving Poverty Bay a dual name voted against such a move. Full list of comments below.
The question was, “Do you support moving to a dual name for Gisborne’s coastal bay to Turanganui a Kiwa/Poverty Bay?” — a proposed change that is being promoted and consulted on by Gisborne District Council.
Of the 597 votes recorded, 72 percent (431) were opposed. Of the 75 people voting this way who also made a comment, 15 indicated it was because of opposition to continuing use of the name Poverty Bay, while the rest mostly expressed opposition to adding Turanganui a Kiwa and/or this issue being a priority.
Support for the dual name proposal came in at 25 percent (147), while 3 percent (19) did not know.
There were strong opinions on both sides. Selected comments follow, in the order that voter comments were posted.
“No — After the Mayor’s comment that anything Cook did had (less) relevance, how could anyone take this move seriously?”
“No — Go back to its original name, Turanganui a Kiwa.”
“Why constantly try to change the little bit of history we have got? It was called Poverty Bay by James Cook for a reason. Does Hawke’s Bay or the Bay of Plenty want to change their names? No.”
“Yes — I support a name change but would much prefer it if we could drop the ‘Poverty Bay’ part altogether.”
“Yes — but one name only . . . Turanganui a Kiwa!”
“Don’t agree. Spend money on roading instead.”
“They are both historical names, so should be kept. We are known for Captain Cook’s visit here, so Poverty Bay was how he found the district. Our history with him should remain.”
“Do you really think that it is a fair survey when GDC takes it to the local Waitangi Day festivities? Don’t really think that the change of a name will empower people to change themselves.”
“No — Too confusing for people.”
“Too lengthy and complicated. Is this the most important issue we can find?”
“We’re getting over-run by things that cost a fortune to do. Changing names is not easy, or cheap. Just to make people ‘feel good’.”
“The change is unwarranted and the proposed double name is too long to be used by any but some locals.”
“It should really revert back to what it was in the first place, Turanganui a Kiwa. However, as the dual name is being offered as apparently our only alternative at present . . . Poverty Bay should drop off the end after a very short time, by which time people should be able to cope.”
“Yes — Poverty Bay isn’t a good look.”
“No — We should be known as Gisborne. We want to go ahead, not stir up the past.”
“Leave the names the same. The world knows us as Gisborne in Poverty Bay.”
“This poll is worded badly as I do want the change to Turanganui a Kiwa but do not want Poverty Bay . . . ”
“Poverty Bay needs to be dropped. Just because a famous man insults you, you don’t wear that insult around your neck with pride! This beautiful land is anything but Poverty Bay! Sunshine Bay, Prosperity Bay, Expansive Bay, Calmness Bay, Bella Bay, etc or the Maori equivalent of these are more appropriate.”
“Unconstitutional GDC stuff-up again. Turanganui a Kiwa was not even a written name.”
“No — Purota Koro/Beautiful Bay sounds really good . . . . That will bring in the tourists.”
“I cannot believe there are people who think that a name change will have any difference on the behaviour and lifestyle choices of the people who live here. Stop wasting time and energy on this.”
“Astonishing that the Mayor has so blatantly side-stepped fair consultation. Unless Gisborne speaks up, it’s a done deal. He represents a group hell-bent on relegating Cook to the back pages of Gisborne history.”
“Dual name? You mean a first step to losing Poverty Bay altogether, along with Cook, Endeavour and Young Nicks Head, all steadily gouged out of the public eye.”
“Turanganui a Kiwa/Poverty Bay but in time delete Poverty Bay.”
“A referendum first please councillors!”
“No — where is all my culture going? I am so saddened that my home and the home of my fathers is being disrespected.”
"No — Poverty Bay should come first . . . this is the original name.”
“Democracy at work . . . Go on national TV to say it must happen and send staff out to encourage Maori to back your ideas. Shades of Kelvin Park.”
“Yes — I don’t really support the dual name, as I think the name Poverty Bay should be dropped entirely, but small steps . . . small steps.”
Yes 25% (147) No 72% (431) Don't know 3% (19) Total: 597
Selected: No after the mayors comment that anything Cook did had absolutely no relevance, how could anyone take it seriously
Selected: No Go back to its original name -Turanganui-a-Kiwa.
Selected: No Why constantly try to change the little bit of history we have got, It was called Poverty Bay by James Cook for a reason, does Hawkes Bay or the Bay of Plenty want to change their names, no they do not,
Selected: No should just be te tairawhiti
Selected: Yes I support a name change but would much prefer it if we could drop the 'Poverty Bay' part altogether.
Selected: Yes No poverty bay needed
Selected: Yes one name only Turanganui a Kiwa
Selected: No don't agree. Spend money on roading instead
Selected: Yes They are both Historical names, so should be kept. We are known for Captain Cook's visit here, so Poverty Bay was how he found the district. --- our HISTORY with him should remain.
Selected: No Do you really think that it is a fair survey when GDC are going to take the survey to local Waitangi Day festivities??? Dont really think that the change of a name will empower people to change themselves. Seems cut and dried already.
Selected: No Gisborne is fine and known to everyone. Stupid and costly
Selected: No Too confusing for people
Selected: No Too lengthy and complicated. Is this the most important issue we can find?
Selected: No We're getting over-run by things that cost a fortune to do, changing names is not easy, or cheap. Just to make people "Feel good" Its advertising, promotons, New signs, just so Ming Foon's lot feel better about "Positive '' vibes and change. Poverty bay works, has for years, just spend the effort and money on things that matter... no bridges accross the cut, 6mil? No olympic pool coat of paint, 28.5 mil.Try fixing mangapapa's water issues etc
Selected: No why what's the point?
Selected: No The change is unwarranted and the proposed double name is too long to be used by ant but some locals.
Selected: Yes It should really revert back to what it was in the first place, Turanganui a Kiwa. However, as the dual name is being offered as apparently our only alternative option at present, the Poverty Bay should drop off the end after a very short time, by which time people should be able to cope.
Selected: Yes Poverty Bay isn't a good look.
Selected: No We should be known as Gisborne. We want to go ahead, not stir up the past.
Selected: Yes The Aussies are playing catch up with Aboriginal heritage - years behind us
Selected: No wot a total waste of time and money for no gain.
Selected: No Leave the names the same.The world knows us as Gisborne in Poverty Bay
Selected: Yes but we should drop Poverty Bay. This is worded badly as I do want the change to Turanganui a Kiwa but don't want Poverty Bay...so yes to a change.
Selected: No Poverty Bay needs to be dropped. Just because a famous man insults you, you don't wear that insult around your neck with pride! This beautiful land is anything but poverty Bay! Sunshine Bay, Prosperity Bay, expansive Bay, calmness Bay, Bella Bay, etc or the Maori equivalent of these are more appropriate.
Selected: No is not the name has to change....even if youcall montecarlo du monaco is stil poverty bay,,,because is a reason.
Selected: No Unconstitutional GDC stuff up again. Turanganui a kiwa wasn't even a written
Selected: No Kick Poverty Bay and replace it with Turanganui a Kiwa.
Selected: No Purota Koro/Beautiful Bay sounds really good. "Beautiful Bay = Beautiful Day" We coined it first. That will bring in the tourists.
Selected: No Purota Koro/Beautiful Bay sounds better.
Selected: No There was never a given name by those who arrived before captain cook and since i" arrived "here
Selected: No All i have heard is how wrong it was of Captain Cook to change a name.There was no recorded name before Cool arrived and if it was so wrong why are we trying to do it again .Two wrongs don't make a right.You cannot change history.
Selected: No According to the details of the NZ Geographic Board - the name change process. Historical and cultural context: Point 8. states Turanganui a Kiwa traditionally is the area surrounding the Turanganui River which is now Gisborne city. Lets be very clear the ocean and that piece of bay and beach had no name until given the historic title of Poverty Bay. So no to any change.
Selected: No I cannot believe that there are people who think that a name change will have any difference on the behavior and life style choices of the people who live in it. Stop wasting time and energy on this.
Selected: No It's a no brainer. It should go back to its original name of Turanganui a Kiwa
Selected: No Astonishing that the mayor has so blatantly side-stepped fair consultation and unless Gisborne speaks up it's a done deal. He represents a group hell-bent on relegating Cook to the back pages of Gisborne history. Poverty Bay is a unique and quirky name, known around the world, an important piece of our history bestowed by one of the great explorers. We have the Turanganui River and a vast array of Maori place names. Leave Poverty Bay and Young Nicks Head alone.
Selected: No Dual name? You mean a first step to losing Poverty Bay altogether, along with Cook, Endeavour and Young Nick, all steadily gouged out of the public eye. A shameless bid to play down a famous voyage of exploration before 2019 and the anniversary that now cannot even carry Cooks name. Is this really what Gisborne wanted?
Selected: No yet another dumb idea from our Mayor
Selected: No Too much of a mouthful and people are only just getting to know where Gisborne is! Why complicate things? Its a waste of time and money. Focus on the basics, council.
Selected: Yes I definitely support getting rid of the name Poverty Bay, but wonder if Turanganui a kiwa is the best alternative?
Selected: No What's the reason for a name change, what will it cost the ratepayers and what are the benefits. When we hear the name Poverty Bay do we really associate it with poverty likewise when we hear the name of Akaroa's Flea Bay do we imagine it's a place alive with fleas, I don't think so. Lets use a little common sense here.
Selected: No Don't like either name. Let Gisborne remain. The name everyone knows in NZ
Selected: No Poverty Bay is a dumb name?
Selected: No Quite unnecessary, waste of time and money. Far too many important names being changed to Maori without asking the community.
Selected: No Turanganui-a-Kiwa
Selected: No we were asked before on a pole and the answer then was no.Its still no,so let's move on.
Selected: No This has been handled so very wrong.
Selected: No Too many issues here,If it was called beautiful bay or Bay of bounty would people have wanted to change the name? So is it the word Poverty that upset people,or that it never had a maori name in the first place? or is it just another "beat up "the non maori as is with everything else around here.
Selected: No The name of the bay is Poverty Bay.Fact. It is known around the world as this name. It does not need changing.There are plenty of other pre Cook names in this region to prove we are bicultural if that is the new "in word"
Selected: Yes Turanganui a Kiwa/Poverty Bay but in time delete Poverty Bay
Selected: Yes Turanganui a Kiwa no dual name thanks 250 yrs is long enough do have Poverty Bay on our heads
Selected: No We have many Maori names already. Do not complicate matters with dual names.
Selected: No referendum first please councillors.
Selected: Yes Forget Gisborne and Poverty Bay. Turanganui a Kiwa is in Te Tairawhiti. Always has been. What right did Cook have in changing the name for colonists! None at all.
Selected: Yes Our neighbour is Bay of Plenty while we are the opposite ... Bay of Poverty! Why not a new name that's altogether positive?
Selected: No Re-instate the original name is fine with me. Turanga, or Turanga nui a Kiwa. Turanga cannot be confused with Tauranga (pronunciation wise). In addition several villages/settlements in Aotearoa have similar names (Matakana, Muriwai,..). We get to differentiate them through their regions, closer towns, and postcodes. And that's perfect!
Selected: No Did you not poll us before? Did we not answer no?
Selected: No 'the great standing place of Kiwa' based on what? and who ? depending on what side of the river at the time we were enjoying a good fight until the arrival of Cook
Selected: No I will message the NZ Geographic Board and let them know we are not interested.
Selected: No If as it is said that Kiwa was standing then surely reference is being made to a piece of land possibly the walkway which maybe we should have named after Kiwa. Poverty Bay is a large area of water so there doesn't seem to be another "special historical and cultural significance"name for that piece of water. i don't think we should just make one up or pick one out of a hat or take a favourite one" just because" that would be so culturally wrong and insensitive.As Ms Kohere stated "place names are important reflections of the history, culture and identity of a place, its location and its community." At least we have a recorded account of the name Poverty Bay. we should leave it at that.
Selected: No It should just be Turanganui a Kiwa not a dual name
Selected: Yes Poverty Bay is a beautiful place and should have a name to reflect this.
Selected: No why change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Selected: Yes Remove Poverty Bay completely
Selected: No A name change may be good, but NOT that name.
Selected: No It's much too long.
Selected: No Why change history and a name that is known world wide. New name too hard to say for many overseas people
Selected: No How about spending money on water, sewerage etc before
Selected: No Do away with Poverty Bay
Selected: No Gisborne is what it is and so should stay that way
Selected: No where is all my culture going? I am so saddened that my home and the home of my fathers is being disrespected.
Selected: No please stop the white man witch hunt.
Selected: No councillors put your passion for change in something far more important to this region than adding a name to a place that already has one.
Selected: No is that not a name given to Gisborne? is someone or someone's moving the benchmark to gather a few Maori votes?
Selected: No i think we should wait 10 years ,we will be so multicultural by then we could add a few more just to please the then citizens of Gisborne.
Selected: No No,but how about changing the name of our Mayor for someone new!
Selected: Don't know I think we should scrap the title "Poverty Bay" altogether.
Selected: No Poverty Bay should come first ....this is the original name
Selected: No Stop worrying about the past and focus on the future. How often do you hear of poverty bay anyway?.
Selected: No There are more urgent needs for this district than a name change. That will not do anything towards getting basics such as roads, waste water, etc etc done. The council needs to get its priorities in order.
Selected: No Waste of time and money
Selected: Yes Who will give a damn in 2118?
Selected: Yes This is a modest and yet very constructive step towards a more balanced recognition of the history of the Tairawhiti region (and the rest of New Zealand) and its connections to the rest of Polynesia, our immediate neighbours, and the wider Pacific. Turanganui a Kiwa is a name that connects us to the earliest exploration of the Pacific, including the early settlement of New Zealand by people from Eastern Polynesia and provides the larger historical context within which we can better understand the relative significance of the achievements of Cook and other European explorers in the Pacific in the Eighteenth Century and the subsequent colonisation of New Zealnd by British settlers.
Selected: No Democracy at work . . . Go on national TV to say it must happen and send staff out to encourage Maori to vote for your idea. Shades of Kelvin Park.
Selected: Don't know dont know wht that means
Selected: Yes change the name back to its original name...colonists have a bad habbit of changing names to those that are absolutely meaningless...thru my 80 plus years on this earth In have never spoken of any name other than TURANGANUI-A-KIWA... proud to be me...MAORI...has great meaning for us all
Selected: Yes Chuck poverty bay out
Selected: Yes Yes - change it to a dual name . I am 100 percent english new zealander . i would love to see our maori name there .
Selected: No I am sick to death with what Meng and Maori want want want in relation to names
Selected: No Just Turanganui a kiwa is the way to go
Selected: No Without Captain Cook and the English people that followed him, this country wouldn't be what it is today. Why does this Council and the Mayor want to rid us of our English history? I've spoken to a few Councillors and they agree with Councillor Malcolm MacLean so come on, find your backbones and speak up! Mayor Foon, you have shown your racist, one eyed position far to often you need to resign. You don't represent all the peoples of Gisborne so you need to go!!! This town needs to more forward not backwards.
Selected: No Nobody can change the English history of Gisborne. Captain Cook gave us the name for a reason, Yes we may not be in poverty now but that is our name and I do NOT want it to be changed. The council have been trying to change the name for years and the fact they haven't publicized it to the Gisborne region sooner tells us they knew that most of the Gisborne population wouldn't be in favour. We need a new Mayor that isn't one sided.
Selected: No we are not a bicultural city.According to the treaty we are one people.We don't need issues like this one to stir up unrest.we are a country made up from many many cultures ,Pacific,European and British. We now add in Chinese, the americas and Asian. We are one people when we live here. All cultures speak the universal language of English lets not complicate things.
Selected: No No i don't support this. Time for a few councillors to stop pressing their personal issues and views onto the people of Gisborne.
Selected: No And I hope the mayor takes this result to New Zealand Geographic Board. If not it will prove what a shame asking the people for their opinion is if he and his councillors have already paid for the new name sign!
Selected: No Is it the intention of Meredith Akuhata Brown to change all the names of this region to joint names including those that only have a Maori name?
Selected: No I think it is so much better that we look at how we already have such a nice mix of names in this region.Not everything has to be said in two languages.We come together in the sharing of what we already have,what was given by our ancestors and as we plan new areas we should ensure we again have an equal mix.-Manaakitanga treat people with respect,show kindness and nurture relationships.
Selected: Yes yes With a long term aim to dropping the European name leaving Turanganui a Kiwa to stand alone.
Selected: No Gisborne should be changed to turanga as it was originally known. Gisborne was just the British rep at the time gisborne was being surveyed so he put his name on it. Great emphasis should go to changing the awful and condemning name of poverty bay to what cook had originally planned to call it Endeavour bay
Selected: No Where are our Endeavour models buy the way? Can we have a poll on this please GH as the vote would be 99% YES.
Selected: Yes I don't really support the dual name, as I think the name Poverty Bay should be dropped entirely, but small steps... small steps.