‘No’ to te reo for their child
A GISBORNE couple who spoke out on national TV last night over their two-year-old daughter learning the Maori language have sparked a big response.

Their concerns were televised in an interview on TV3’s Campbell Live on the first day of Maori Language Week, the theme of which this year is Arohatia te reo Maori — cherish the Maori language.

The couple, Phill and Hayley Foster, said they were upset to learn that children at the Victoria Childcare Centre were spoken to in Maori and that they sang Maori songs.

The Fosters wanted to pull their daughter out of the centre and made inquiries at other childcare facilities, but discovered te reo Maori was part of the curriculum and compulsorily available — which means the opportunity was there to have te reo Maori taught if whanau and communities wished.

They said they might have to find a way to educate their child privately.

“If she wants to learn the history, that is fine, but she doesn’t need to learn how to count to 10 in Maori. She doesn’t need to know the colours, she doesn’t need to know the toilet, or that food is kai,” said Mrs Foster.

“It is not spoken to her at home, why should it be spoken to her at her kindy?

“We are not of Maori culture, our daughter is not of Maori culture. So we don’t understand why our child should have to learn it when it is not in her everyday lifestyle,” she said.

Victoria Childcare senior teacher Karla Tardieu said there was national and international research that showed children from a very young age could acquire other languages at ease.

“We have two unique languages and we celebrate the uniqueness of one of those languages this week.

“It is important that we encourage our children to grow up to be respectful and responsive to the dual cultures of our country.”

The young preschooler is next due at Victoria Childcare Centre on Thursday. The teachers say they will welcome her.

When the Campbell Live programme aired, it sparked many comments to the Gisborne Herald Facebook page.

Terence Page said children learned faster in a fun environment.

“It has been proven that children who can speak more than one language or dialect are better learners.

“Nothing should be pushed on to anyone and, yes, I am Maori and I think the best language you can speak is the language of peace.”

Lesley Nia Nia said children should learn a variety of languages.

“Go to Germany and everyone can speak German. Visit France, everyone speaks French. But we forget that 30 years ago only 14 percent of Maori could hold a conversation in te reo Maori.

“We now have kohanga, Maori TV and radio and the luxury of choice as to where, what and how our children are educated.

“Maori Language Week, to me, is celebrating that. I still have a language and acknowledging and recognising that the education department and Government of my parents’ time, were thankfully not successful in completely exterminating what they believed to be a dying race and language . . . still here baby!”

Tanya Hawthorne said the couple did not come across very well on television but they were entitled to their opinion.

Comments
Mama Bear
08:23 p.m. Tuesday, Jul 24, 2012
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to have their children raised and taught how they think is best . . . but be very careful what you are teaching your children.
The Fosters and some others have made a point of stating that they shouldn't have to learn a language that is not of their culture . . . 50 years ago my mother and father were strapped and whipped for speaking their native tongue; they were forced to speak English, not given the option of learning it alongside their native tongue. And now, as I missed out because my parents were scared of what would become of me and my 13 siblings' future if they taught us our native language of Maori, I am forced to rely on text books to teach my children what I can't.
I am proud of being Maori and am proud to share our gift. Like anything, you can choose to accept it or not . . . the difference is you and your daughter have the choice to learn. Our language is in trouble because my kaumatua didn't.
Catherine
07:27 p.m. Tuesday, Jul 24, 2012
"We have two unique languages and we celebrate the uniqueness of one of those languages this week."
Hang on a minute - what about New Zealand's third official language, Sign?
If I had of wanted my child to learn another language I would have sent them to a school or part-time course to learn that particular language.
Isn't that what kohanga reos were set up for? Do they have an English language week included in their "school" year?
clare radomske
05:29 p.m. Tuesday, Jul 24, 2012
According to the Maori Language Commission, 35 years ago there were 70,000 proficient speakers. Today there are just 18,000 and the “ironic and cruel twist” is that the language is probably more widely seen and heard now than ever before.
In 1993, half of Maori children were in kohanga reo. Today, the ratio is less than a quarter.
The commission pointed to a lack of value for money and a lack of accountability in terms of language outcomes. The Government spends $400 million a year on Maori language, mostly on education, TV and radio.
Dr Pita Sharples, the Minister of Maori Affairs, said: “Governments can provide funding, programmes and so on which can help but, at the end of the day . . . it’s up to the people if they want it or don’t want it.”
He also said there was a huge gulf between the number of people who could speak a smattering of Maori and those who were fluent.
“We’ve got the ones that are dying off, and the ones who are learning now, and this bulk in the middle who can say ‘kia ora’.”
Overseas research shows a language must be spoken by grandparents or parents to be passed on. Bill Bryson, a global language expert, says: “Minority languages shrink or thrive at their own ineluctable rate. It seems not to matter greatly whether governments suppress them brutally or support them lavishly. Despite all the encouragement and subsidisation given to Gaelic in Ireland, it is spoken by twice as many people in Scotland, where there has been negligible government assistance.” And English, spoken by 99 percent of the population, is not even an official language in Ireland.
Clearly the first purpose of language is to communicate with others. And like the forests and plants and bird life in our country, the Maori language is a treasure. I can think of no one who wants to see te reo continue to decline. But it will require a huge effort to ensure its survival.

Annoyed Parent
08:52 a.m. Wednesday, Jul 25, 2012
As a parent, I totally agree with the Gisborne couple who say "no" to te reo in schools. We as a family do not speak Maori and never will. We find it of little use for our children to ever learn it as it is a pointless language to try to speak overseas as well as locally. The national language of this country is English.
We would like our children to learn another language but a language that is of use to them in the future, like Chinese, French, German etc but not Maori, never Maori.
I saw a live cooking show which came to New Zealand and they were horrified at the Maori welcome they were given. As a visitor, wouldn't you be horrified at someone poking tongues at you and waving a long stick? This is a civilised society, so let's welcome guests to our country in a civilised way!
Learning Maori is never going to be a worthwhile language to learn for non-Maori. Our children's time is better spent on languages that are more practical for the future. This minority language should never be forced down anybody's throat, especially the children.
We must be the joke of the global community as we sing our national anthem in two languages when it should just be sung in English - how many other countries do this?
English is the majority language of this country and can be used overseas.
Proud Maori
12:38 p.m. Wednesday, Jul 25, 2012
Well, after reading this comment above this morning, I had to take the day to cool down and reply so I didn't say anything stupid.
Everybody has the right to their opinion, so here is mine.
Fine, you don't speak Maori at home but it is a strong language that is recognised here in New Zealand. Maori was actually the national language of New Zealand and our ancestors were forced to speak English!
I have plenty more to say but then I'll be going off the kaupapa a bit so Ill just leave it at that.
Te reo is a beautiful language and should be spoken every day.
I'm proud to be Maori!
Proud to be Maori
12:50 p.m. Wednesday, Jul 25, 2012
I think it's really sad that New Zealanders don't want their children to learn the little bit of reo that is taught in school. No child is going to walk out of a mainstream school speaking fluent te reo, it's not like they are speaking it all day, every day. I'm pleased that the education system is participating in the revival of the language that was taken from our tipuna generations ago after the white man settled here in Aotearoa.
I think if you want your child to learn another language like Chinese or French because you think that would be more 'beneficial', teach them Chinese or French yourself, or hey, go and live in China or France. We live in New Zealand, it's part of who we are. Like it or not.
Aria
02:47 p.m. Wednesday, Jul 25, 2012
It is so shocking to hear the small mindedness of some people here. How can you say that, "Learning Maori is never going to be a worthwhile language to learn for non-Maori"? Such a statement is completely unfounded.
"This minority language should never be forced down anybody's throat, especially the children."
I have never read or seen anything that states this child was forced to learn te reo, just that it is part of the curriculum.
History shows us that the only time this has happened was during the time of the Native Schools Act when te reo was removed from the curriculum - or the schools would not be funded by the government - and replaced with English.
Remember where you are and the people who have lived here since the year 950.
Irene Taufa
03:31 p.m. Wednesday, Jul 25, 2012
Well, Maori was here before English so what's the problem? English was forced on us and we didn't complain . . . the only sad thing is that we have to go back and learn the reo from the beginning.
Cran Julian
05:55 p.m. Wednesday, Jul 25, 2012
Let's not forget that other cultures have lived in this country prior to arrival of Maori around year 950, and they should be recognised as well. The Greeks and Egyptians also arrived in NZ around year 200AD before the last Lake Taupo eruption in year 232AD ("give or take" five years!) and maps are now available showing Lake Taupo prior to that eruption even.
NZ's history is not dull and boring - people have lived here for at least 1000 years prior to the arrival of the culture now known as NZ Maori.
richard straker
01:30 a.m. Thursday, Jul 26, 2012
I remember a time when I was embarrased to be a Maori, and to be seen in Pakeha attire was to be flash. When in the city I made sure no one heard me korero and, if someone spoke Maori to me, I made out I couldn't understand it.
Be who you are, and learn all that you can learn. Maori, like all native tongues, is beautiful.
There are enough small-minded people in this country, don't let it affect your children.
toni barnett
07:30 p.m. Wednesday, Jul 25, 2012
Taihoa Annoyed Parent, calm down and take a chill pill. Heka, how do you know those people were horrified at the welcome they received? Are you a mind reader too?
Tongue poking? Waving sticks? Be more civilised? Forcing a language down some one's throat? Joke of the global community for singing our anthem in two languages?
Goodness me, you do have a bumble bee in your little bonnet. You just exposed yourself for the heap of raruraru you have in your heart.
Take a deep breath, inhale, fix your mind on positive energy and exhale . . . aaahhh . . . feels good, eh?
hardy allyn waihape
06:32 a.m. Friday, Jul 27, 2012
Like it or not, Aotearoa is the home of our forefathers who spoke te reo Maori.
Yes, OK, you choose not to and yes you have your own opinions, but you're starting to sound like John Key and his vision; the same vision his forefathers had -a land where English is the one and only culture.
We tangata whenua have been assimilated to te ao Pakeha and we're not complaning. Mauri ora whanau.
Meredith
07:24 p.m. Thursday, Jul 26, 2012
Is there any research that suggests that learning another language is damaging or causes linguistic anxiety or confusion? Hmm, everything I have read suggests it aids learning and gives the individual more language skills and they actually learn other languages easily.
Proud Kiwi
10:18 p.m. Friday, Jul 27, 2012
I cannot believe some of these comments that are against learning te reo. I am Pakeha and love the Maori language. I respect the Maori people of this country as they were here first in NZ and it's sad that they were forced to speak English. Us Pakeha people should be ashamed of our English anscestors.
Show the Maori people some respect. To put down their culture is an insult, it sounds more like racism!
If you cannot respect the Maori culture and language here then you are better off to leave NZ!
H. Bunny
04:16 p.m. Sunday, Jul 29, 2012
Sorry but I have to disagree with every parent who would say no to te reo Maori. As a resident, te reo Maori is my first ever language so I speak it fluently and it's enjoyable.
Right around the world, people speak their first language and stay true to their reo.
Engari ka whakawhitia ki tenei taha o te ao we speak two languages.
Really, if you do not want your child to speak Maori then take her to a kindergarden that only teaches in English.
Kate thomas
06:28 p.m. Tuesday, Jul 31, 2012
Has anyone taken into consideration that many two-year-olds do experience language delays and perhaps there may be something more going on below the surface here?
I don't know about the Foster's situation, as no one here does, but I know at age 2 -3 my daughter had language and development delays. Introducing the 2nd language spoken in our household wasn't an option. We only spoke English to her to help assist in her development, instead of Polish which was the main language we would speak in the house. By age 6 she was fluent in both.
Children develop at different rates, and it needs to be taken into consideration.
Kiwi and proud
10:03 p.m. Thursday, Aug 02, 2012
This is really sad. My daughter is in college now and is forced to learn either Italian, Vietnamese or Chinese and it is compulsory - these are the only options. She speaks English, knows a little bit of Maori - her own culture - and now is learning Vietnamese. You don't see me pulling my child from school because of my own feelings. In the long run, I think the more languages she learns, the more options she will have in the future; and anyway, why shouldn't people learn Maori? It is one of our official languages.
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